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Monday, August 9, 2010

Did Obama sign out of extreme torture or did Bush end it after exposure?

This is going to be a very useful post as I am back on track again.

First off I believe this is why many of us experienced relief as Obama came into office:
"Almost immediately after taking office, President Obama signed an executive order barring “the CIA from using harsh interrogation methods beyond those permitted by the U.S. military.” Critics, such as former Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen, have argued that Obama’s order has cost U.S. interrogators “any tools at our disposal” to “compel” information out of terrorist captures. "
That is why many of us have gotten relief from being beaten within an inch of our lives with extreme gang stalking and the use of tech that was so abusive. I have posted before that a water boarding effect is possible via helicopter by what seems either psychic human forces or tech..or perhaps both. Tech amplifying human psychic force(s).
I simply thought that when Bush left he took his people with him that do things that way or something else like that...but I have posted here before and I KNOW logically that everything that is done to us has to be legal or dont up in legal mumbo jumbo somewhere its just we dont have access or awareness to it, nor if we saw it would we understand it anyway.
So that makes sense at least. The media give the impression that Obama isnt doing anything about what Bush did and that is true but I didnt know he signed out of extreme torture like that.

Next in the article is just what many TI's know already, that they haven't let up and are still at it:
"But in a talk at Fordham University last week, Michael Sulick, the director of the CIA’s National Clandestine Service, said the U.S. hasn’t “suffered at all” because of the decision to ban waterboarding:

Sulick followed his lecture with a lengthy question-and-answer session, although he prefaced it by saying he would not comment on any issue that might influence policy. Questions were submitted by Fordham students in advance and read aloud by USG members. When asked if the Obama administration’s ban on waterboarding has had serious consequences on the war against terror, Sulick answered in general terms.

“I don’t think we’ve suffered at all from an intelligence standpoint,” he said.."
(Which means we do our jobs and get what we want.)

However from an ethical, moral and especially legal standpoint:
“but I don’t want to talk about [it from] a legal, moral or ethical standpoint.”
Of course not, dear.

Next is revealing as many of us bang out heads against the wall trying to figure out if its this faction or that..well here is the recipe I assume- most likely minus the gang members, organized criminals and cops crooked or otherwise assisting:

"The Washington Post’s Jeff Stein writes that Sulick is in charge of “the CIA’s spy handlers, counterspies and covert action specialists — the so-called ‘dirty tricks’ people- — along with some elements of the FBI and Defense Intelligence Agency.

Niiiiice. I will certainly sleep better at night now knowing that abuse of power is so even spread between agencies. Yay.

Lastly, they take credit away from Obama and hand it too Bush:

"Spencer Ackerman notes that “for the record, it was the Bush administration that actually banned waterboarding after using it to horrific effect, a fact that has caused no end of cognitive dissonance in conservative torture advocates.”"

But we are dealing with the misuse of those laws to be able to abuse people with the very tech that Reagan proposed using in prisons and mental institutions, that supposedly he had to recall that proposal to get elected. So its OK to play heavy handed using a cover of wartime? I cannot believe that no one understands that a gross abuse of power is at hand.

Or maybe they do.

Speaking of covert ops see my next post..

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